Norin and [[purphoros, god of the forge]] are best friends. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [[Rocco]] with [[Norin]] as the secret commander slaps. Cyclonic Rift - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Click the add button on any card to start building your decklist. Sigarda, Host of Herons - (G) (MC)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. The Nitpicking Nerds - The Most Hated Commanders in the Format | The Least Fun Commanders to Play Against December 15, 2021 by Community Spotlight Some commanders just make the game much more stressful than others. Edit. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Thrax, Niv, Rith, Vorel, Oloro, Agrus, Freyalise, Phenax, Jarad. Result is a bird deck thats pretty all over the place, but in a way that enables a lot of options. Hes so hard to get rid of and doesnt even give opponents an opening to counterspell him. Definitely my pick for a resilient commander :), surprised no one has mentioned [[karador]], depending on the amount of grave hate in your meta, he should basically always cost 3 and his access to the GY provides a lot of late game inevitability no matter what power level you build him at, karador - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) But quickly found out that without a few hundred dollars it's actually quite crap. It hurts so bad man. My modular Marchesa deck is among my favorite decks, if not my all time favorite. I think fast combo decks, green doesnt interact super well on the stack. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ciyYqmGAEkCdrNiBVw9JaA. I'd say it's a three way tie between [[Braids, Arisen Nightmare]], [[Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded]] and [[God-Eternal Oketra]]. For now he has a Shorikai that he's quite fond of,but that doesn't cut the deal hard enough. Phylath world sculptor. Derevi has so many different avenues to build around. I have only made minor updates since I first put it together so there may be some more cards that deserve a home here from the last year or so, but ultimately the plan is to get dargo out ASAP to smash face. With Triskelion or Walking Ballista, Mikaeus creates an infinite damage combo and wins you the game also infinitely triggering your aristocrat triggers. Because never dying without additional artifact removal isn't busted. It isn't loaded with interaction and kind of looks like it isn't doing much until SHTF. And i'll try the ol'stickfingers! [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/D3L3VNKjlE2m0107bBVa-w, it's built to play in strong non-cEDH pods. Hello, I need your help,. thrun - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Sorry. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Purphoros 1.0, Beastmasters ascension, Triumph of the horde/Return of the wildspeaker.lots of very compartmentalized ways to win, without even delving into his combos. Does a good job dodging Commander tax, returns to hand if it dies. chromatic orrery - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Please enable JavaScript to get the best experience from this site. It's basically a French vanilla creature with an alternative mana cost, but when the hell are you not going to have artifacts on the battlefield? The new [[Optimus Prime, Hero]] is pretty resilient. [[Ghalta, Primal Hunger]] can be tough to keep out of the battlefield under the right circumstances. Tevesh brings said fuel and complement it with a draw engine (you get to draw 3 cards with Tevesh each turn quite fast). [[Norin the Wary]] is probably the most resilient commander on his own. The last board sweeper is somewhat controversial, and while I do not endorse the use of Armageddon I will grant that it is often seen as a staple in a white EDH deck. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. A great protection to baby's knees and legs, Eye-catching design of sports shoes, s Rose 75 - Everyone loves the ease and comfort of Rose shoes. Both of them are gonna be 2 mana every time you cast them. you can run a swamp in Commander if you are playing Mangara, yet you could not in EDH (this is only really important with bounce-lands from my pow). This is a subreddit dedicated to playing the Commander format of Magic: The Gathering at the highest power level possible. Liesa, Shroud of Dusk - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) [[Caustic Caterpillar]]. It was fun, but I didn't wanna take apart any other decks to make it better so eventually took it apart. The only thing that I would say is harder to remove would be commanders with indestructible unless you are doing hard exile like swords or PTE in white. Derevi is resilient as a fucking cockroach and will never cost more than 4 mana. I've never had him die a single time lol. Arcanis - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Backing it up with a reanimation package really lets you push through spot removal and board wipes. Yuriko - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) That's a similar meta to when I first joined our playgroup - lots of sweepers, removal, and control. anger - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Copy Clear. Edit: kinda ike Urza, you can tap equipment. Once I start drawing all those extra cards I can afford to take some hits; my hand is always loaded with counterspells, threats, and mana. However, in terms of removal I would say [[sigarda, host of herons]] would better. I play in a competitive environment so I am looking for very competitive cut throat decklists that don't care about people's feelings. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Maybe Im just looking for solid midrange commanders? Commander damage is the most common way to eliminate opponents, but regular creature beatdowns can often get you across the line . If you can survive the early onslaught, your big beaters will crush anyone who hasnt developed a board state. All 4 Sealed Commander Anthology Volume 2 Decks EDH Mtg Magic Cards Atraxa. The literal and graphical information presented on this site about Magic: The Gathering, including card images, the mana symbols, and Oracle text, is copyright Wizards of the Coast . Edit: Thanks everyone for all the suggestions. [[Norin the wary]] One of the hardest cards to remove from the battlefield in the game just add red enchantments or creatures that trigger of him entering and your good. Lorthos - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) I successfully cast Ghalta six times in the last game I played with my deck. Sad times paying 3 or 5 for Norin. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, Do you have a list? But even if you had a card without mana symbols, in EDH, which could genearte other colors (fx. Solid idea, I like the colors as well. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. if i can get to 7 mana to cast [[omnath locus of rage]] chances are i can get to 9 11 and 13 in the following turns. Primer includes step-by-step combo guide. It's got hard-to-interact-with combos and many gameplans. sigarda, host of herons - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! CUSTOMER SUPPORT : If you have any question. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. all are good stuff to have available for him, and then just pile on more and more mutations or enchantment auras to pump Brokkos to the max. For example [[bloodthirster]] + rionya is a game ending combination while making tons of dragons. I'm honestly surprised that I haven't seen more Theros based god generals. Saffi is also hard to keep off, but in the weirdest way. No love for my man Squee? Similar Deck Space Auto-suggestions. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I've never seen anyone use creatures like [[Whitemane Lion]] in token decks, most token players I've fought use Jetmir and more conventional token making strats, but I find Oketra's methods very satisfying. [[Yuriko]] and [[Emry]] 100%. If you want to be as resilient as possible, well control is probably the way to go. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, I have not played with it or against it but I imagine [[skullbriar]] is likely pretty resilient for voltron, skullbriar - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Ive considered him, I could do probably get away with it in my meta. [[inalla, archmage ritualist]] is probably my most resilient deck, because I never have to cast her lol. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, Yeva, Natures Herald - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Making it so those two can just never pay it was a big design mistake. They can cheat a commander in if needed, or gain so much value from resolving it, that its death doesnt matter soon. So any Commander I haven't enjoyed (such as those mentioned up there) never made it past the drawing board. The idea is to abuse derevi's ability to escape commander tax to ramp a lot and start casting big X spells that create huge armies every turn. To advance the subject of an Izzet deck, I think that Niv-Mizzet (fire mind) would have a very good chance to fare well in your meta. Kresh? All are useful in getting rid of all . A mix of Combat damage, etbs, attack triggers, death triggers, and reanmation all pull together this awesome deck. Control decks in general. You can see how crucial your commander is in EDH format, but with hundreds of legendary units to pick from, which are worth your time? Same boat. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Commander lets you run stuff with other colors mana symbols in the text box, EDH does not. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Derevi. Building Volo and playing him really rewards out-of-the-box thinking. Koma, Cosmos Serpent - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) In a similar vein, [[Lucius the Eternal]], [[Rocco]] with [[Norin]] as the secret commander slaps. There's been a couple of times where i started with an empty board and won the same turn, stilk, https://www.moxfield.com/decks/D3L3VNKjlE2m0107bBVa-w. Marchesa takes a bit of work, but access to blue goes a long way towards answering whatever Marchesa's abilities can't handle. I'll throw my hat in the ring. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. I've done go-wide tokens with things like [[Strix haven stadium]], janky control using [[martyr's cause]], [[lux cannon]], and similar, stax with [[stasis]] and [[hokori dust drinker]] (once, never again; I like having friends), and superfriends in which you can use Derevi to block two attackers for four mana. My [[Brokkos, Apex of Forever]] deck is definitely the most annoying for my opponents to get rid of. Instead they offer incremental small advantages that slowly bring the game under your control. Marchesa can support many different builds . On top of the fact you can avoid commander tax occasionally by throwing Brokkos in the Graveyard, you can just fill it with good protection to mutate Brokkos onto to keep him swinging. Ikoria made those counters ridiculous. And remember: you can upvote a comment even if you disagree with it, if you think it's a discussion worth having. Squee, The Immortal - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Plenty of fetches, and play lands from graveyards and you are constantly making threats. [[Gyome, Master Chef]] did this for me. The original Phyrexianized elf herself, Glissa, the Traitor, had certain deckbuilding constraints you'd need to obey to realize maximum value. I played him last night! He just does everything well and makes everything you want to already be doing in Jund incredibly efficient and valuable. They look like late 1800s nature paintings and I love it. Thanks. skull briar - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Ironically Sharuum with Tawnos's Coffin is both a perfect counter to Derevi and incredibly resilient (they target the Coffin, exile Sharuum; they target Sharuum, exile Sharuum; same for creature or artifact wipes). I like to exile and re cast him with [[food chain]]. Derevi Flicker us what I'm rebuilding right now. I like your list, thank you for sharing. Izoni, Thousand-Eyed - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) It is a totally fine deck to build, but I am of the camp that the strategy isnt especially conducive to long term fun. Jarad is pretty resilient. He's a piece of Magic history, with his thumbs. Be strong. [[henzie]] hes low cost and killing him makes everything in the deck cheaper. I like [[Zahid]]. Color Id. Aristocrat decks are also usually very good at getting pieces back out of their graveyard which increases their resiliency. The deck is grindy, so if you like aggro or combo, Liesa isn't the deck you want to play. Marchesa the Black Rose - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Aesi, Tyrant of Gyre Strait - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)Henzie toolbox torre - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER)[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. I have played [[chulane, teller of tales]] but it feels linear in how it plays. My play group is very high power and generally anything goes with combos, stax, etc. Is there any other commanders that you think fit this same kind of feeling for a commander? I think resiliency is really just about how you construct the deck. Proteus Staff - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Im here for the grind, and it looks like you deck can still close a game out. Oh, you have an artifact or enchantment? [[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk]]: As long as you have enough life to pay as commander tax, you always pay 5 MV. Both can combo off/brute force through 99% of stax pieces being in play at the same time, have the colors and flexibility to run any silver bullets you want for your group, can win dozens of different ways without much hinderence to deck building and many don't require the commander. The deck plays some manarocks but can keep playing through Null Rod, even plays Back to Basics so nonbasic hate doesn't do anything. It can also go infinite by untapping mana sources with Derevi using things like [[Ashnod's altar]]+[[chromatic orrery]] or [[peregrine drake]], Here is the list if you want to have a look. My meta is full of people running esper control, mono blue control, grixis card draw with. My playgroup has recently embraced the old saying 'The best defence is a good offence' and are more actively disrupting each other's game plans, this has made some of the more glass cannon decks less viable. These are some that Ive tried and havent really clicked with. Derevi - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) I find aristocrat and landfall strategies to typically be quite resilient. I do play a fair amount of protection in them. nahiri equipment maters (Commander / EDH MTG Deck) This collection is out of date, you may click here to see the latest version nahiri equipment maters Commander / EDH* Mono-White Tristanvh1 Type Name Creature (25) 1x Argivian Archaeologist 1x Armory Automaton 1x Auriok Steelshaper 1x Brass Squire 1x Cavalier of Dawn 1x Danitha Capashen, Paragon There is the deck list for reference. Korvold players never seem to go below 7 cards in hand, that's what bothers me personally so much. Deck is loaded with tons of options for asymetrically bouncing/tapping-down everything my opponents have to block me, many of them tied on to creatures that in themselves are big enough to be threatening clearing the way for a big KO. I ended up paying 19 mana to cast him. Press J to jump to the feed. I believe he's mardu bolster and when he dies as a creature he just gets to transform. Maybe if I got hurt or got poisoned by an assassin, she would use her magic to bring me back like she does with a +1/+1 counter creature and she would be really worried about me, even if she tried to deny it. The only problems are graveyard hate cards like Kalitas, Anafenza, Leyline of the Void and Rest in Peace. Another really fun deck was [[Wulfgar]]. It made me realize that I really like synergy and fun interactions over pure power of individual cards. She is by far the most resilient general, as she costs 4 to cast permanently and can do it at instant speed. I played a blink derevi deck for awhile. Thanks for the ideas everyone! This commander has come up a few times now and it does seem spicy. This is one of the calling cards of Gaea's Blessing builds moving forward. Sadly he can't brew or look at Edhrec without remembering works and getting real bad about it. I appreciate you put her in the same category as those two. Seconding this; I'm currently playing around with a group-slug deck with [[Mogis, God of Slaughter]] at the helm. Polyethylene Film / PE Sheet Also of note is the fact that they can sometimes avoid creature-exiling effects. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. A good Sisay or Kenrith list is virtually never out of it. I got a friend who's burnt out and still want to play EDH with us. The deck could function very well without it's commander out, and had this feeling of infinite possibilities when he was indeed out. But it's alright; truly a card that rewards skill and knowledge about your deck and your position in the game. I cant wait for the commander to be released. So i asked him his need. Nesting Grounds - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. peregrine drake - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) Derevi has been recommended the most, Ill have to give her a try. Even if I don't win with this deck, I usually bring the rest of the table to around 15 life, so it becomes a "sudden death" situation for the others. It's easy to just make it durdley/grindy and a slog, though. Derevi is without a doubt the most resilient commander in the game though . Scourge of Fleets - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) [[Prossh]], both the card and the deck, is disgustingly resilient. A deck that feels linear. [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Edit: Currently watching the up and down votes on this comment fighting it out. I think a lot of decks are like that, if you are willing to go to CEDH level and willing to pay a lot of money for your deck. One thing I've learned quickly is that the deck can be surprisingly resilient even against high tier commanders. Do you mind to share your list for Liesa? [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. His ability is great. Meren of Clan Nel Toth CMC (Converted Mana Cost): 4 Colors: Green, Black Sadly he can't brew or look at Edhrec without remembering works and getting real bad about it. E.g. Ive found it incredibly hard to consistently keep [[fynn]] out for too long. Id add Tasigur as a guy who can dodge it quite well too, Yuriko - (G) (SF) (txt) (ER) All of these strategies give him solid sacrifice targets to keep your hand full, he even draws on entrance. Video By The EPIC Storm. With a bunch of backgrounds in play he becomes a decently powerful and resilient Commander for a flat 6 mana. Enough countermagic to protect itself, and the ability to play Niv and combo win the same turn (especially with Greaves or Swifty Boots) gets around the sweepers. You have a very similar deck to my Goreclaw deck so I know what you mean. 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