Anyway, I hope I have explained rationally that it's not as simple as how a lot of the press talks about Brexit :-). Agreed! Saying that, UK has a huge potential to rebound when it breaks away from the limpets in power sucking its tits off. If you are willing to do it, you are better than the rest and are happy with the salary, then the job is yours. Uncertainty in things!!. Ten mins of my life I'll never get back I am sorry to say. How the resident described it: "This whole area feels like a crammed can full of rotten tuna with its variety of chavs and chavette." "Destroyed roadwork, mind-bogglingly ugly housing and severe lack of police will make sure you are both scared and depressed to walk around the 'handsome' town of Gillingham." Switzerland recently voted to restrict Islamic mosques. New Zealand is a close second, but the earthquakes and parochialism relegate it for me Im afraid. I have watched it decline as I grow older. I hope you find your reality somewhere and leave us racist, poor, thick bits to struggle on without you. I still had responsibilities, I still had bad days but it was all worth it. Stories of betrayal. Neah, I think both Sarah and I just hate the wet island. Or is there more to the story? I say we invest more into the NHS and social welfare. As a small island, the UK has and always will be expensive, but this is the same as all other developed small islands, Iceland, Bahamas, Singapore, New Zealand etc. Anyway I wish you guys all the best for your future wherever it may be. I moved back from the UK to India (which is where I am from) 6 years ago after living there for over 10 years. It's not cool that you can only wear a skirt for 5 days of sunshine throughout the year (we call that the elusive British heatwave). It was a difficult decision for us to move back from the UK , and I would be lying if I said we do not have second thoughts about moving back again! Don't confuse friendliness with openness. This was mainly because we loved and believed in Tony Benn. [28] Writer Owen Jones also criticised the use of the term in his book Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class. I can accept Brexit and people being bored of foreginers, it's understandeable. I'm lucky as I have both a New Zealand and UK passport so doors are always open to me. The quality of food in the store here is really really good and it's also very cheap compared to North Europe. Hi Ella, thank you for your warm comment. Maybe I'm a little weird but it just works for me. My degree is in law and I have little experience in any commercial field. This is not to say that England (or the rest of the UK) is not a good place to live. Despite looking great on a Downton Abbey episode, this is not the place I see myself living (and many British friends are moving as well). I still remember the distress and shame I felt that day. No conservative party will help us in this regard. I have never lived in UK. I know it's unusual for you to grasp that. I got approached by a Greek man who had a PHD and wanted to try and find ways to use it in a commercial context and he wanted to work for us for free to get some experience. We're spending 2017 living out of bags - currently in Portugal, soon heading to Morocco and Albania, the maybe Italy before SE Asia. (I am from Serbia). The term is used to describe an anti-social lower-class youth dressed in sportswear. Sometimes it's nice to come back and see it all through the eyes of a spectator. Something has happened here, and its not a good thing. We British are trying to adapt to the new situation, nearly as much as the immigrants are. By the sound of things, we have improved immeasurably as a country if you've left. For every ignorant comment, there is a kind person who welcomes foreigners. But seriously, I'm sad that you don't feel safe anymore. British values We both naturalised to become British citizens. Better climates and more outdoor life. Like Vinz said below, let THIS sink in too mate. The 52% of those who voted to leave the EU, did so as the EU is a dictatorship that hates free enterprise and anyone who wants to individually succeed - the EU wants total control of everyone inculding those who run small to medium sized businesses. Thank you, Karin. In fact, it should be illegal to pay for medical care in ANY country in the world. The UK gets judged to a higher standard than other countries because of our history. The former was better and now everything is different, I am glad to hear the position of an immigrant who has realised how society has changed. Someone is always in a hurry. I put the blame on the U.K. government and to some extent the EU. Since we are talking about culture, I must touch base on the food. Because they expect Engineering to be taken care of bu foreign workforce! Are used to see my country as a liberal looking and pleasant place. I know of Socrates, Plato, Epicurus, Cicero but what do I know of English history? What an informative post! thankyou for making me laugh ; that 5minutes of laughter was more valuable than 1000 holidays in the sun. The question is why is the UK so expensive including the impossibility for a young graduate to get a mortgage for a flat in London? We thought we needed to give them some respect and have decided to trademark our sweets. Rent is ridiculously expensive and housing quality is despicable, I was shocked! So many people prefer going abroad when there are so many wonderful places to see within the country. 30 for petrol is not accounting for car insurance, depreciation on the car, your time spent driving rather than working/reading/sleeping on the train etc. The Weather There are a lot of benefits to having so much rain in the UK. I wouldn't return if you paid me to. Whether you do OK or not, in the long run, is very much open to debate. Any suggestions, we love the beach/city life but don't want to be too remote, so I think somewhere like Australia would be out as its hours of driving to get to another town or hours on a plane to get to another country. Alas, we did it! You can purchase anything your heart desires from the supermarket. Why were you searching for topics related to moving away from the UK? I tried all sorts of clubs and activities but the sense of community that I longed for was just never there. Following university and moving into our careers, my wife and I have both enjoyed the fruits of our labour with work. I thought I am alone on the Harry Potter thing, and I remember looking for Hogwarts during my Scottish highland tours. Do you mean British people with British passports who write articles about the UK? I really like your article. I think the only city I like during my entire UK trip is Edinburgh, the architecture there is just so stunning and it is completely different culture from England. I've been an expat but tbh happy to call myself immigrant too (as I once was to Britain as a 2yr old!). Maybe we'll move back one day, but for now, I'm happier to watch what happens from the sidelines. Hi Brian, thank you for your insightful message. Dickhead. Buying less, eating better and having good weather is far more valuable. If you can, and open your eyes and hearts, there are some truly beautiful in heart brits around you. Rome and Athens were once places where civilizations THRIVED. A controlled immigration Program. There are so many Brits in Spain and Portugal. We just moved to Budapest for a bit to try and mix things up a bit. The opportunity to be free and to express freedom of thought is still prevalent in this country that he now lives in, albeit in his matchbox house. I only just came across your article. [31] The BBC comedy series Little Britain features the character Vicky Pollard (portrayed by Matt Lucas), a parody of a teenage female chav. I moved back to the U.K. after living and working in Australia, as well as travelling as well. Most working Brits are counting the days to retirement and escape from this violent slum. You see, I actually love the pace in London. Plus with the stupid spellings now some parents choose, who knows how they're spelled!!! I hope to God, James, that you get the taste of your own medicine. It's not as simple though that everyone voting leave agrees with Farage and Boris. In all of this, I have tried to be fair and welcoming and treat people with respect. I'm excited for something new and a place that's easier to travel solo in. I was in Madeira when I saw the results for Brexit. The internet you are using thats a British invention too ! Hi, I can see what you mean in your article. I don't want to have that life when they work 7 days a week and never get to enjoy the city. Many Hong Kongers went to Australia or Canada because both are seen as more economically and socially advanced - and yes, multicultural (the UK is a bore on diversity, go to South East Asia for that). I propose that you go and visit the UK for 1-2 weeks before you decide to commit and move there. In London, a global city! I studied computer games design, music production and technology, IT infrastructure and now Cloud Computing with Amazon and guess what.still no JOB. The culture in Britain has moved from brilliant to that of hate, racism and ignorance. I am sorry you didn't get to see as much of the UK. Also the people respect all the transit rules, in England the streets are very neater, on the contrary in Chile they`re full of traffic and disorder. Once again, thanks for this post, I will be recommending it to my friends. Its good to hear that you are happy now you have moved back to the UK. No government has a magic money tree that can deal with a 'climate emergency' (in a country with very mild weather patterns), literal cradle to grave housing and social care, free healthcare to everyone and anyone who shows up etc, human rights for cats etc Britain's problems are of it's own making. What I find interesting is how xenophobic the North of England is when a high proportion of very intelligent immigrants work for the NHS and treat them in hospitals, and yet there is a very tangible dislike for foreigners. I'm grateful for your honesty, I sure know it's not easy to find the courage to admit when things are not peachy. We're able to save a lot of money every month and are homeowners. I have come to realise that home is where the heart is, and it really does not matter where one lives if they are happy there. I say we build houses there. The UK has more international communities than any other country in the world. I see that you have just joined this forum and reading your answers you seem to be from the UK. Countries in Europe are becoming less and less accepting and open. It wasn't all bells and whistles because it took me jumping through a lot of hoops to be able to obtain what back then was called a Yellow Card. After the Brexit shock, more and more Brits are looking to move away from the UK. I got lost several times and people don't even bother to help after I asked for directions. Really fantastic article, very important to share different perspectives on the state of the UK at the moment. Bigoted and biased review based on the views of an immigrant who has disgracefully described most British people as being racist simply because they do not like the organisation called the EU. I explain a bit more about why I want to move away here: http://www.anestingnomad.com/2016/07/i-want-to-emigrate-to-australia.html/ and the good news that I am (visa willing) about to move is here: http://www.anestingnomad.com/2016/12/my-big-news-is.html/. [8], The word in its current pejorative usage is recorded by the Oxford English Dictionary as first used in a Usenet forum in 1998 and first used in a newspaper in 2002. It's to do with money laundering regulations. Foreigners cant even buy a house in New Zealand anymore. Its a hard working and ambitious country, which is not for everyone. High standards, high expectations, high quality living. "[19], A BBC TV documentary suggested that chav culture is an evolution of previous working-class youth subcultures associated with particular commercial clothing styles, such as mods, skinheads, and casuals. Rent prices are high, and when you add utilities, the internet, council tax and all the rest, you end up with most of your salary gone. I now live full-time in Germany and just enjoy the lifestyle better. Sure, the in the average pub food isnt so amazing here. Ps, I have been to over 85 countries, so I have some context. People today in Britain are upset at the uncontrolled immigration. Dream! Let's see what food Bucharest is known for - hmmm, stuffed cabbage, Ciorba de burta (tripe soup) and roasted eggplant salad. Good luck with exploring the new options, looks like you have some stunning countries in mind :). We are all ashamed of people like Hector and we wish they would become obsolete. I learnt the language and am well integrated (except for German TV, which is truly awful so I have Freesat!) Good luck to you in the future, wherever life takes you! What we're seeing now is a massive difference in the scale and effectiveness of these campaigns thanks to the pervasive nature of internet data mining and the use of techniques in machine learning to spot trends and correlations, coupled with lessons from the field of behaviourism, to weaponise the information. Healthcare and education were much worse under the left. The great educated gentleman is obsolete and the fine lady is on a verge of collapse. I just could not understand why the land of my dreams was not working for me. Thank you for your honesty, for this long and extremely interesting post. Did you like this article? One . I want to take this opportunity to wish you well, wherever you two decide to settle. Their standards are on the up. Good luck finding your new base guys :) Can't wait to see where you travel to! I would have thought it's exaggerated, bitter and mean. In the UK there was always immigration but it was controlled and little, only the best and most suitable immigrants can enter. We're also seeing increasing radicalisation in right wing politics because this process is a feedback loop. I guess the point of my comment is that I just wanted to tell you that you should have NEVER been treated the way you were here and I know that there is a massive percentage of brits that would agree. In fact, we think it was the best decision ever. Because they read too much of the Daily Mail and have come to believe that Mohammad who owns the corner shop and Sunita who works in the local Indian aren't law-abiding, hard-working citizens but terrorists, despite having lived here longer than some of us have been alive! In all honesty, once upon a time, I would have laughed at such article. :-(. A very powerful piece and interesting from my perspective as a Canadian who left Canada to travel for many of the same reasons. :). Joe: He did. I believe it is a feature of geography. We had been coming to England very regularly since 2011 (my Mom lives here, too) and it has changed so much! We need to stand together and show the world that love prevails. Sorry to hear they treated you like shit for being a foreigner in the U.K, yet sadly, it doesnt surprise me. Hi Laura, We would absolutely love to visit St Helena Island one day. Too much traffic, too much alcohol and too much rain. We were fantasising about walking on a beach somewhere and eating fresh fruits. Whilst change is always hard and my parents went through a lot to.come to the uk at least in the 50s it was controlled immigration. Of course, Portugal is cheaper than the UK, but so are salaries. It is nice to hear some positive stories. Then throughout the 00's until present day the fascist tabloids managed take away what we had gained. We adapted, changed and integrated into British society. In the 90's we managed to claw that back from the fascists and say as a society this is not who we are. The South East of England is *bursting*. But usually I live in Scotland with my British partner and we've discussed leaving the UK in a few years for all the reasons you mentioned. We were the sick man of Europe in the Benn days, but now we continue to have the lowest unemployment levels in Europe, even after Brexit. I believe not only the UK, but the European continent is suffering from a shortage of work and opportunities and this is increasing people's negative attitudes towards immigrants, which are arriving seeking opportunities that simply aren't there. Because why would they?! In 2013 linguist David Crystal said on BBC Learning English: People talk about "chav behaviour" or "chav insults" and that sort of thing. My birth country is a tropical island paradise in the Indian Ocean. We are at the stage of "Where to now?" For me, the 'First World' is now Singapore, Australia (yes I rate the UK as 'Second world' in comparison to these countries). We're in North Yorkshire and we absolutely love it here. I do hope you get to leave and start living the dream in a cheaper country in Europe. [32] Lauren Socha, the actress who portrays Kelly, has described the character as being "a bit chavvy". Countries like Japan are very friendly to tourists of course, but they would never let foreigners rise to a high level in politics or business. My living abroad was more a lesson for personal growth than it was for achieving happiness. I know exactly how you feel as me & my husband are going through the same. People are kind and welcoming. You are from Romania but you don't want to live there? Answer (1 of 9): Hello Ian Kent and welcome to Quora. There are so many rolling hills, empty, kept for a handful of sheep. 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